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Tyler started the conversation by emphasizing the importance of meeting clients where they are. He pointed out that brands that try to do everything are not winning anymore. Instead, the key to success lies in being specific about the problem you solve for clients.
He stressed the need to define and hone in on your brand's message and then roll that message across all digital and physical properties. This approach ensures that potential clients receive relevant content, as sending them to something irrelevant will yield little success.
Tyler also touched on the changing dynamics of trust in the business world. He noted that while trust in larger brands has diminished, trust in individual humans still exists. Therefore, building trust around personalities and amplifying their stories is crucial.
He concluded this part of our discussion by stating that adjusting expectations and recognizing that building relationships take time is essential. Blasting everyone with sales messages is ineffective in today's noisy and competitive market. Instead, it's necessary to earn the right to engage with potential clients through value-added touchpoints.
Key Points from the Episode:
- Importance of meeting clients where they are and having a specific focus in HubSpot
- Being specific about the problem you solve for clients
- Defining and honing in on your brand's message
- Sending relevant content to potential clients
- Building trust around personalities and amplifying their stories
- Adjusting expectations and recognizing that building relationships takes time
- Lone Fir Creative's niche in the edtech space
- Helping companies fully utilize the HubSpot platform
About Tyler Pigott:
Tyler Pigott is a seasoned professional with a diverse marketing, communications, and sales background spanning over two decades. As the founder and CEO of Lone Fir Creative, a digital marketing agency, he has honed his expertise in driving business growth through innovative strategies. Alongside his entrepreneurial endeavors, Tyler has become a sought-after business coach and a compelling speaker.
With a genuine passion for supporting fellow business leaders, Tyler offers invaluable insights to propel their ideas forward. Notably, his ability to blend analytical thinking with creative problem-solving has rapidly implemented new and effective strategies. He has successfully built a thriving all-remote business as a testament to his skill and adaptability.
Tyler Pigott's impressive track record and dedication to empowering others make him highly regarded in marketing and business communities.
About Lone Fir Creative:
Lone Fir Creative is a dynamic team of business-minded creatives who profoundly understand marketing's true purpose: achieving ambitious revenue targets and fostering brand growth. As a digital marketing agency, Lone Fir Creative leverages its expertise to craft innovative strategies that drive tangible results for businesses.
With a keen eye on the bottom line, the agency approaches marketing as a strategic tool, aiming to generate meaningful returns on investment for its clients. By combining creativity and analytical thinking, Lone Fir Creative ensures that each marketing initiative is captivating and compelling, resonating with target audiences while delivering measurable success.
With a focus on helping businesses thrive and achieve their goals, Lone Fir Creative has earned a reputation as a reliable and results-oriented partner in the competitive landscape of modern marketing.
04:22 – “I think it's important to recognize just that it's changed and so you do have to earn that relationship which then takes time.”
11:38 – “We've been writing content for years, so there's a lot of content on there.”
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Josh (00:00:05) - Hey there, thoughtful listener. Would you like consistent and predictable sales activity with no spam and no ads? I'll teach you step by step how to do this, particularly if you're an agency owner, consultant, coach or B2B service provider. What I teach has worked for me for more than 15 years and has helped me create more than $10 million in revenue. Just head to up my influence and watch my free class on how to create endless high ticket sales appointments. You can even chat with me live and I'll see and reply to your messages. Also, don't forget the thoughtful entrepreneur is always looking for guests. Go to up my influence and click on podcast. We'd love to have you. With us right now, Tyler Pigott Tyler, you're the founder and CEO of Lone for Creative. You're found on the web at Lone Fir Creative. Tyler, thank you so much for joining us.
Tyler (00:01:11) - Awesome, Josh. It's fun to be here. Thanks for having me on the show.
Josh (00:01:13) - Absolutely. So lone fir, you work with clients that are either contemplating or are already using HubSpot, right?
Tyler (00:01:23) - That's correct.
Josh (00:01:24) - Yep. All right. What's going on in the world of HubSpot these days?
Tyler (00:01:28) - It's like our horizontal niche.
Tyler (00:01:29) - If you will, of people that are trying to build their brands and companies trying to build their brands on HubSpot. So man, there are so many things going on in the HubSpot realm right now. They're a super cool platform to partner with or kind of hit your wagon to because they're very forward thinking. You know, there's lots of other platforms and tools out there that do lots of things. And oftentimes those are they're acquiring softwares and they're kind of like adding on to their house if you are. Whereas in HubSpot generally tries to build things or at least from the beginning, they built it from the ground up. And so like user intuitive and lots of people are jumping into it real quickly from a staff standpoint. And I've found that if the tool is easy to use, people will actually use it, which then makes it worth the investment in purchasing it. So anyway, we could go on lots of different avenues, but yeah, lots of cool stuff from the marketing and sales standpoint.
Tyler (00:02:22) - On HubSpot right now.
Josh (00:02:24) - You know, one thing I've always respected about HubSpot and kind of that culture is just that empathy toward the user, right? And that, that, that persona, the avatar, and then just everything about their journey where they are on the journey and, you know, what are their hopes, dreams and concerns and fears and skepticism, like where are they right now? Where is all that stuff now? And just, you know, and I find that HubSpot does a really admirable job in kind of working with guest customers, kind of where they are and feeding them the right information when they want it. And I suspect that that's probably has something to do with where you come in.
Tyler (00:03:03) - Yep. No, absolutely. Yeah. Helping out, really kind of map out that customer journey all the way from, you know, awareness and kind of general top of funnel, if you will, all the way to purchase, you know, pre-purchase purchase and then post-purchase, if you think about that in a wheel, you know.
Tyler (00:03:19) - And so there's tons of different data points, there's tons of different interactions, content activities, tactics, all sorts of things that can happen through that journey. And we've found that most brands succeed in being able to kind of serve their client right place, right time when they have some sort of a system in place to help them with that. That can be, you know, personalized automation, that can be internal tasks that pop up at certain phases, all sorts of different things. But if you're, you know, letting someone just kind of, hey, hopefully your brain works perfectly and you always remember everything right on, right on the right time, and you have all this initiative that you can take and you kind of jump in. Most people don't, you know, about a thousand when it comes to that. And so building a system and kind of a backbone for your sales and marketing and even customer success after they've jumped in as a customer is definitely, you know, we spent a lot of time helping clients with that.
Tyler (00:04:14) - But at the same standpoint, that is usually what helps clients succeed and helps give them, you know, like that kind of edge in the market, if you will.
Josh (00:04:22) - Hmm. Yeah. So what do you see working? Well, let's kind of start from the top of the funnel by talking about acquisition discovery or, you know, just attraction. You know, obviously HubSpot's huge on inbound. So, yeah. So what movements do you see or kind of what work do you find yourself doing most with clients? You know, when we're talking about very, very top of the funnel.
Tyler (00:04:47) - Yeah. You know, it's changing right now a lot. You know, I think that, you know, the idea of just like, sending out a blanket email and hoping for a meeting schedule, usually most people find that pretty annoying and you're. It's not working, you know? And Yeah, exactly. So, you know, you really do have to meet the clients where they're at and have a very specific focus.
Tyler (00:05:10) - And so those brands that are just kind of, you know, all we do everything we're the best fit for absolutely everything. Like, I don't they're not winning anymore. And if you're a very specific I have this specific problem that I solve for clients and I'm telling the client, this is the problem I solve for you. Those ones are doing better. And so we kind of start oftentimes helping clients, just defining, honing in, focusing their message and really kind of we follow a couple of different frameworks for that, but just really like, okay, great, we've got this message. This is kind of like your brand positioning and then helping them roll that across all their, you know, digital properties and physical properties and all those kind of things has been like that initial aspect of it. Because what we've found is that you can pay, you know, millions of dollars in paid media, millions of dollars in paid media. Or other outreach tactics. But if you're sending them to something that's kind of irrelevant to where they're at and what they need, then it's not going to be successful.
Tyler (00:06:04) - And you're kind of just lighting that money on fire. And so kind of like that foundational element is the first kind of key, I think, for everybody. And then really understanding, well, where are your clients at? If you're a B2B company, you know, you're starting to explore different social strategies right now to build followings and to almost kind of B2C has been in that influencer marketing for a long time, right? We're not trusting brands as much, but I'm trusting this personality that I've built trust with over years and they're helping sell your product while B2B is going that direction and is kind of already there. And so you're helping people kind of amplify their story. Sometimes it's founder stories, you know, just creating content around that, helping build trust around humans and personalities. And, you know, there's brand that's there as well, but everybody's kind of lost trust in the in the larger brands, I believe. And so but they still gain trust with, with individual humans, you know, and have that human connection.
Tyler (00:06:59) - And so we do a lot around that. Again, foundational elements problem you solve for people and helping amplify that and across tons of different tactics but that's kind of like that I guess you know 10,000 foot view, if you will, of that top of funnel type activity that we do.
Josh (00:07:14) - Yeah. And you know, for someone who's maybe either not in B2B or maybe they're not even in business for themselves right now or, you know, they're just kind of leadership in a different environment. What are the, you know, when you're thinking about B2B, particularly if you're thinking about higher ticket consultants or, you know, bigger ticket B2B services, and you think about that buyer persona, that decision maker that they're going to be engaging with, what are the considerations that folks should have? Because you already mentioned, you know, listen, just slamming ads in front of these folks and, you know, just sending DMS and whatever, It's not as effective as it may have been in the past.
Tyler (00:07:56) - Yeah, Yeah, yeah. No, that's a good point. I think, you know, initially really for your, you know, audience, your core audience, your target that you're shooting for your ICP, if you will, that you're trying to, you know, attract. I think really I believe that it's important to adjust your expectations to reality. And so that it's kind of like the dating analogy I know is overused, but the same concept is the first time you meet someone. If you ask them to marry you, they'll probably run for the hills. And it's the same thing in in B2B marketing, B2B sales, B2B kind of relationship building. And so, you know, just adjusting your expectations to knowing it's going to take several touchpoints and not starting initially with, Hey, let's jump on a call. I want to sell you this thing that maybe there's some value you could provide for the first several touch points that would help them in their purchasing process or push them in the right direction or nudge them.
Tyler (00:08:47) - And then you could kind of earn that ability to have that sales call at some point. So I think just, you know, having like setting that as the baseline and then you can the sky's the limit is how you would use kind of like each of those different touch points from a value add standpoint. But it is a shift. I think people are in the midst of that shift right now from just an expectation standpoint. If you're a sales leader, if you are a leader of a team, if you're, you know, hey, we're trying to hit these KPIs this year, we're trying to hit these goals this year, I think it's important to recognize just that it's changed. And so you do have to earn that relationship, which then takes time. It's not just, Oh, I'm going to blast everybody in my email list, you know, and just say bye bye bye, you know, and that is that's not really working. Maybe for some brands it might, but, you know, really it's not working.
Tyler (00:09:37) - There's too much noise, there's too much competition. I think everybody at this point is hit with somewhere between 4 and 6000 messages a day. And you're like, You've got one, you've got Molly. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it depends on how engaged you are in social. If you spend a lot of time on social, you're getting hit with way more than that. But but so you just have to pay attention to that. You know, people do have certain personal, certain brands, certain message, certain topics that they pay attention to at different times. And you do have to earn your earn your keep or earn your right, I suppose, to get onto that list for individuals. So I don't know if that answered your question, but I kind of was thinking like the foundational elements have changed a little bit. And so it's important to kind of have that reality check moment and also then strategize how you're going to do that for sure.
Josh (00:10:21) - So in the world of HubSpot solution providers, where do you fit and why would, you know, kind of where do you like, who might you be a really great fit for? And like, where have you found your niche?
Tyler (00:10:36) - Yeah, it's a good question.
Tyler (00:10:37) - We've spent a lot of time in the EdTech space, so educational technology, educational support kind of companies. So not people that are selling to those higher ed or to those academic communities. So that's a good fit for us. We've spent a lot of time in that, I guess just surrounding environment and probably. And probably the sweet spot for us is really helping, you know, get more value out of the HubSpot platform. And so we've just found that the average person is using like, you know, just scratching the surface of what it does and, you know, just helping kind of jump in and helping them kind of build out strategy and also then do implementation and execution on that strategy within the HubSpot platform. And that can be anything from, you know, moving a website to there to do some data hygiene stuff to automation, to all sorts of different complexities. But we found that we're a great fit for those types of companies. And then the ones that are really looking to expand within that platform and really have that platform as a single backbone to to your business.
Josh (00:11:38) - So yeah, your website Lone Fir Creative and by the way, that's f i r lone for creative.com. Talk about the resources that you have available. Obviously in HubSpot world you probably have some resources available to folks. Yeah.
Tyler (00:11:54) - No, absolutely. Yeah. No, we totally we've been writing content for years, so there's a lot of content on there. We're going through and revamping some of it, updating a lot of it all the time. Lots of content like HubSpot specific content on there. So I don't know.
Josh (00:12:07) - Anyone is listening. Yeah, you know, kind of where they go from here.
Tyler (00:12:11) - Yeah. So lots of HubSpot specific content, like even from getting started to kind of advanced stuff, we're starting to read a lot more content around the sales systems that you can build within HubSpot. You know, we're doing a lot of migrations into HubSpot right now, away from other well known platforms that might have the color blue as their logo. And, you know, we're finding that lots of sales teams actually don't use the platforms entirely and they're trying to get people to actually use the platforms.
Tyler (00:12:38) - And so lots of content around that. I personally like on LinkedIn stuff, I talked a lot about team and leadership and that type of thing. So check me out on LinkedIn to love, to have conversations, conversations there, but lots of resources on both of those places.
Josh (00:12:54) - So yeah, and you have a website chat, Can you tell me about that?
Tyler (00:13:00) - Yeah, for sure. So one of the things, one of the ways I built our business is doing what I call website teardowns. And so I used to just do these before email, video and email were cool. So this was five, six, seven years ago. I would do like these little loom videos, my face in the corner and I'd share a screen and go, Hey, try this, try this, try this. You know, kind of things I've noticed about doing hundreds and hundreds of websites in my career and and it was a great way to kind of help people and provide value. And if we can help them implement some of those ideas, great.
Tyler (00:13:31) - If not, you know, and they've got a team internally or their own resource, that's awesome too. And so if people just want to like and I think there's probably be in the show notes here but if people just want to submit, Hey, here's my like my contact info and then my email, I mean, start my website, we'll do like we'll pull together one of our website strategists and probably an account manager or something like that. We'll jump on and riff on some ideas, best practices, some things we're seeing, and then hopefully give you some actionable things. You can you can run away with. And I promise to not spam you or ask for sales and those types of things with your email address.
Josh (00:14:05) - Yeah, yeah. Again, loan for creative and for creative. And again, from there you can actually go, let's see if I think if you click around you can find the website, check if they reach out, you'll, you'll share the direct link. But I think if you click run you should be able to find that.
Josh (00:14:25) - So well this is great again Tyler Padgett you know founder CEO learn loan for creative it's been great having you. Thanks for the conversation.
Tyler (00:14:36) - Appreciate it. Josh thanks.
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